I'm not really haveing any problems with SR2.1 but the thing I can't figure is why they don't get Poser do to some of the things that Vue or Bryce can do....like something as simple as water or an ocean. Vue and Bryce can render water that looks like water. If Poser would compete with these other programs, there might be more Poser users but as it is now, they are actually driving people to other programs to do things that Poser can't. Lights are another things that Poser doesn't do well but other programs do. Even DAZ Studio which is free and do some things better that Poser does.