didn't read all the prior messages, but rumours indicate one can use poser content in C6Pro, thus dispensing with poser 7/8 and its colossally slow renderer IMVHO. no word yet on the version of C6Pro to be burnt to the first boxed sets. be fair, tho. CL/e-f hadda start at ground zero with their rendering engine AFAIK. it ain't easy settin up all the linear algebra and matrices, don't ya know.