I'm not too sure about MartinC's definition of me as a wonderful person. I reckon I'm actually just about not too bad on a good day. Obviously I've met Martin too and he's also a good guy. He understands Macintoshes which I don't. And he really does exist. I've spoken with Art on the phone but never met him. I'd be pleased to toddle along to a 'meet people in person' day (or night), anywhere but Vegas! Sorry folks, I've just never been into neon lights, cowboy hats, gambling and deserts. Now a meeting in a London pub, I'd go for that. Especially one of the 'olde worlde' ones with sawdust on the floor (yes seriously) where Jack the Ripper used to go. I might even buy a round (depending on how many people turn up of course). Maz