Thanks Wizzard. Yeah, a chain texture might work and some kind of band should be doable, even just in Bryce. For the Pauldrons (thanks for the correct word) I THINK that Traveler has some nice ones in one of his fantasy suits. Like I said earlier, they conform to the P4, while what I have right now is for V2.0, so mixing and matching with full conforming is a no go, but how hard could it be to position, resize and magnet some P4 Pauldrons to fit a V2.0 character? :-) Another thing to put near the top of my "to buy" list. I keep on wanting to add another 512MB of ram while prices are so cheap, but when ever I have the money, I seem to find something else for Poser I "just have to have". ;-)