@deadwarrior: I wasn't having a shot and no offence taken.  I'm all for people eating people or just licking the chocolate syrup off. My point was once you start talking about POSER the thread can't fall much further. 

I hate Poser with a passion. Not the program as such, but its dumbing down of a complete generation of artists. These people don't even realise the PROPS they are using have taken artists, days or even weeks of modelling time to create, texture and rig. They're just props. 

My favorites is probably half Poser images. There are people out there that can make the program sing. Brilliant artists creating work as good as anything on the net or in the real world. 
BUT, they are the exception. Most will never do more than load props, poses, textures, outfits and sets, and sit back and bask in their equally as talentless friends praise. 

OKAY, now I'm off topic. Put it down to much blood in  my Booze stream.