I see where your coming from, and yes I was being fairly insulting. But I bought Carrara for professional use, and this has become a nightmare. I have lost money and clients because of Carrara and all of the crap that's gone on with it. It's hard to explain to clients that I can't render their animations because the software doesn't want to run right. If I had unlimited money I'd go buy 3D Studio Max or Lightwave and be happy and you'd never hear me complain again. If Eovia would just make a clear statement about the situatuion of the patch(whether it's coming or not) I'd calm down, but instead they keep sending me emails about discounted prices on Amapi.I'm sure it's no easy task to get Carrara up to par,but when they bought Carrara they also bought all of the old customers along with it. And here we all are still waiting for apatch, let alone a clear honest statement about when and if it will exist. I didn't write it to offend you and I apologize, but I've lost a lot of sleep over this whole thing. We need to bitch, that's what this forum is here for if it's needed, mabye Eovia will listen and make an announcement, or even a patch.