Re: The whole "who cares it's progress!" argument: That's why many of y'all are stuck with Windows Vista - programmers taking the same attitude that you should simply buy more hardware to compensate for their lack of skill and propensity for bloat. Mind, this is not to be confused with actual progress, but with the attitude that no one should give a crap ab't polycount because, well, we should all go out and buy quad-cores anyway. Yuck; I'll continue with optimizing and squeezing out extra cycles/polys wherever and whenever I can, thanks much... be it in code or in mesh. /P