Hi litst my point in posting this is not really the fact that the patch isnt out! my point is more in pointing out the fact that every time i read a message in carrara e groups its about ampi 6 ! If i bought a cable channel that advertised football 24 / 7 and all they played was opera id be pissed, it wasnt what i suscribed to and im paid for football! im not calling them names but the fact is that i dont here or see new features or problems being solved instead i here about our new sale prices on amp 6 i read a post in e groups by a eovia employee telling somone that said that they didnt want to here anymore about amp 6 they told the group member maybe they shouldnt read the post anymore i think that was a bad move! and the whole way the company deals with the forum. if you go there today i gauruntee they is at least more than one post about amp 6 in the CARRARA e groups that is my point i dont think im out of line in posting this thread in closing im glad the meta people found new homes but i dont think a forum of people that spent hard earned money on a good program should bu used as a bilboard for buying something else when the first product is broken !