Well, I didn't mean to start an argument. I simply made a point that in the type of art that is posted here at Renderosity there I cannot concieve a use for anatomically correct genitalia. Save the polys and use texture/bump maps and perhaps a pubic hair prop. I responded because I took Jaagers post as a personal attack on me. As for porn, thats the only use that I can see for poseable genitalia and a 'cavity'. If someone can prove otherwise then I will gladly admit that I was wrong. I haven't purchased Natalia, but I do own Vicky, Vicky 2 and Eve/Azura. I think Eve is an outstanding model, but I dont see why the poseable genitalia is necessary for ART. But sex sells -- it has always been the largest market by far. I just hope that Victoria (by way of Daz3D) doesn't jump on the bandwagon. So I knew when I posted that I'm one of the tiny minority that think this has no place in art.