As to Pornography not being art, well to begin with some people call the kind of stuff they see in women's fashion magazines Pornography, what with all those Supermodel breasts and bums and even genitalia showing! It really depends on where you are coming from (no pun intended). One man's or woman's porn is another's art. However, if you go back to the origins of Art in the historical Period (i.e. from when man first began keep records) Erotic and Pornographic (hate that word) Art has always been among the most highly prized art until the church reformers began to have their way. Mind you the Vatican and other church collections contain some amazing pieces. In classical Greek and Roman art the nude in 2 and 3 dimensions was the favourite and most fashionable subject. The whole thrust of their art was the achievement of realism (like many of us today are trying for photo-realism with Poser). Many of the most luxurious Roman Villas were filled with copious amounts of erotic and explicit murals, mosaics and statuary (go to Pompeii sometime and look). Also look at some of the finest Attic Black and Red Figure painted vases from classical Greece (circa 5th/4th Century BC), displayed in the world's top museums. Some of the things that are realistically depicted on them are illegal even in America and at Renderotica. And if you say those classical societies, from which so much of our culture and artistic heritage descends were decadent, look at some of the earliest cave paintings from 30,000 BC depicting orgies and ritual copulation. There are thousands of examples not to mention the finest masters of Renaissance Painting and Sculpture who drew heavily on the decadent classical art. So I want my Poser models to have realistic geometry, textures hair and yes, genitalia. Others do not, that is one of the reasons for the Genitalia switch. But I would like the choice. There, said my piece. STORM