I have somewhat mixed feelings on this. Certainly a patch is long overdue and empty promises don't do much to make us happy little customers. But I can't really believe that Eovia is sitting back in their ivory tower spending their days thinking of ways to irritate us either. I expect that they would like to have this patch business out of the way at least as much as we would. As for Ampapi, I considered it but it just doesn't work for me. Incorrect screen redraws and periodic freezes make it unuseable on my system. I suppose I could tinker ad nauseum and eventually get it working but it is just not worth the time and effort to me. But I can't really fault them for promoting it on these lists. After all, it is a very good offer and if they can't give us the Carrara patch at least they are giving us a good deal on Amapi. Will I wait for C2? I don't know. Rhino is starting to look good to me and I can always render in Bryce. I guess at this point it all depends on how much the upgrade will cost.