Hi Folks! Your advice is right on, shadowcat. One of the problems with teaching Poser is that you can't do a demo of Conforming Clothing--one of P4's most powerful features-- without using the nude figures. I'm sure DAZ has hunkered down with its legal people and considered all of the implications of distributing female models with built-in genitals. I'll bet they decided it's not worth the risk. And, as I noted, digital artists in these forums are are already way ahead of them anyway. Peter (Dr Zik)