I did some more playing around with makeing hdri images from photos. Also messed around with settings in the mat room in P6.  This one is of a darker image getting later in the day torwards sundown and it gives quite the range by adjusting the ibl contrast. The image showing the three different ibl's used the same one but different settings.. My theory was to use more lights with different settings to fill in the gaps of info being lost by using ldri instead of hdri. I think it somewhat worked. Also using three ibl's at once didnt seem to change render time at all like I thought it would.   I can make lower res versions of the lights i've done if anyone is interested in them. 800x800 images are around 3mb's.  

Handle every stressful situation like a dog.

If you can't eat it or play with it,

just pee on it and walk away. :-)

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I wouldnt have to manage my anger

if people would manage their stupidity......