Thanks for all your comments. I was quite pleased with it, but then you keep on looking at it and this and that could be better... I feel it's been worth the effort now. Why model rather than texture? Honestly because I couldn't model it as a single form, (it's my first) but I thought I could build it up simple primitives (thanks to pnevai who gave me a hand in that dept.) 90% of it was done in Poser. And yes, that is a very very slow way of doing things :-) It's built around Dork (P4 man) but it looks a bit short on him. It will eventually fit a somewhat more stunted samurai character. Thanks for the offer Doug, if you think it could find a place at Sturkwork, send me your address and I'll send it on. If it's a problem, thanks for the thought anyway. I'd have liked to have made it conform, but my joint editor is screwed up and I'm waiting on P5. If anybody thinks that would be a worthwhile project I'd be happy to give them the model to do what they liked with (though free non-commercial use would have to be maintained).