Thanks for all your kind comments. Warrior, I saw PJFs thread at the SciFi-Arts forum. In fact, it's his magnet tutorial that I messed up completely. All I got was a head like an egg timer :)) Upir, I had the same thoughts earlier today as I was checking a previous render of her. The mouth is almost a perfect duplicate. Check it out at http://www.dixie.demon.co.uk/render1.jpg. Now, how to do a good nose ridge...... I've already started on a colleague for her and hope to get something working this weekend and look forward to displaying the new crew of DS9. Commander Sisko(season 3 onwards version) is already on his way. Pugwash