If you'll look at your own eyes closely you will see that the veins are very visible and noticeable, especially when close attention is paid to them like in the image above. Had that been a full-face pic, they would not have been so noticeable. Radart- Ghost's poseable car is up at http://www.homestead.com/fearfactory99/index.html Just don't make it red, Poser will crash. I changed everything that was blue to red and when I got the last part done, P4 gave me the 'C exception error' and died. Luckily I had been saving regularly, but it won't load the PZ3 or the CR2 I created before the crash. The original one loads fine. Same thing happened with the 'Red Barchetta' Poser file I was working on a while back: too much red. Newc