Rob, I was not meaning you. I trust you to be there. I was asking about "civilians". At least Marco is keeping a eye on us. In my mind, part of this is us exchanging ideas and part is a panel discussion in public. I hope that there are some users who are at least understanding that there are questions to ask. We certainly understand that the only way to get this stuff is to do it. It is a lot harder to explain than it is to do. It is logical when you understand the rules. But first you gotta understand that there are rules. It is not only creating the ERC morphs and channels, it is also using them. I have a product with ERC and Jim does also. It would be nice if we could help more than one person at a time. It is about heppin' , not a star turn.