Wiz - the view was adjusted via the lil track ball,so no lighting changes were made from the first shot. Kewl! I had hoped I did the bumps right lol. Thanks a lot man. Alverson - Hey man good to hear from yah, thank you for the compliment. fiontar - GOOD! lol I was trying to aim for something semi-realistic looking rather than plastic which on a lot of my earlier attempts at textures I end up with something that looks like it should be Kens older brother or Barbies mutant prostitute twin. TC - Sinister heh I like that. grins Hmmmmmm... I will see what that looks like, wasnt sure if I wanted to go with scars or not when I first started making him or not. Was trying for something that looked sort of Undead/Cenobite/Vampire... that whole genre.