Ache! Looks beyond my ability judging from the Transponder tutorials I looked at.. I post work anyway so it doesn't seem worth the trouble for me maybe. Transponder is $70 alone and free with Carrara Pro... is it free with Express does anyone know? I have not caught that in the promo copy. I dunno... I think maybe Poser is as sophisticated a program as a techono dino like me can manage. But the clarity in your gallery posts ghelmer, I have coveted that clarity. Maybe I can get it someday with Poser IBL. Nice renders.