Jim, the JP seem to be somewhat directional also. With joint controlled joints I see a difference. What I mean is: I wished to link the rButtock to the rThigh, so that by moving the master, the slave would follow in the way I defined. The thigh is a bigger target and it has higher limits than the buttock. When I made the thigh the master and the buttock the slave, the joint blending between the buttock and the hip weren't right. If I made the buttock the master and the thigh the slave, everything is cool. I have to go to the thigh to get extreme movements finished. But this way I am sure I get a 1:1 between the thigh and buttock in the buttock's range of movement. (It is a method to fool proof the buttock-thigh, collar-shldr, abdomen-chest, neck-upneck-head movements.) For the skirt, I was thinking of a long skirt and a CM that would allow the bottom of the skirt to follow a kicking foot. There could be no conforming for this since there is no practical way to do a shin group in a skirt. But a shirt morph controlled by the xrot channel of the figure would do this. I am thinking that using a null-loader(s) on a figure that has this and is the second or third character in a scene could get sort of interesting.