I turned off the check in the Joint Editor for bends. I had noticed Zygote had really cranked this up for the knees, at high setting it sort of destroys the joint, as it doesn't pull in very evenly. No breakthrough, I don't understand any of this stuff, I just plug in what others have figured out. ;-) Incidently this is what SMV's knees look like at about 90 and 120 degrees with the JCM. The dress needs more work!