Greywolf, Thanx, though the uniform wasn't that hard to do. Simply add a detailed texture map and bump map to the Fem Turtle neck sweater. The maps I used were 2500x2500 to allow for a more natural neck line. Turn the greyed neck and collar into a bump map and Poser will indent the area, making it look like 2 layers of clothing. Don't worry too much about getting the neck perfect as the DS9 and Voyager uniforms use 24th century zips !! I had played with the idea of using 2 different clothing items but my initial efforts came up hopeless. I'm concentrating on DS9 and Voyager at the moment but I've got a couple of TOS movie era projects in line, which will require new uniform requirements. Pugwash