Hi Wdupre, yep,  I sort of found out about  the mangling part  this morning--it was a perdy abstract painting, had the neatest design that in no way resembled a sphere or a cylinder.  I thought it was another SOE

Thanks for the tip Diolma,  I'll do it--when I get back to the setup room, I need to do something else for a few days to let everything sink in.

Again, thanks folks--Plutom