So you have rotation channels for a non existent shin that control morphs? Are the values for the shin channels on the conforming skirt set by the corresponding channels on the figure? If so, for a long skirt , you can just call the whole thing 'hip' and setup phantom buttock-thigh- shin groups and run JCM off of these. A lot more work to have to actually do the morphs than letting the JP do the morphs on the fly, but much better than what we have now. With JCJ and poses - it's not so much that you lose the poses as that you have to adapt them. An example: I have the butt:thigh as 1:1 and the bend limit on the Buttock as 40. So if I bend the buttock to 40, the leg goes at total of 80. The thigh dial shows nothing. (Unless I double click on the thigh - then the numbers show up - whatever That is all about - and then the thigh adds this value to the one it gets from the buttock. Weird. I think this means that a JCJ figure can be used to setup poses for a regular figure- if you d-click on each of the slaved elements before saving the PZ2 file. Oh, and IK on - does it too I think.) If I apply a regular pose the buttock takes its value from there - the thigh - the buttock value plus whatever value the pose has for the thigh. The fix is to add the dial values from the pose for the two parts divide by two and reset the buttock to this - setting the thigh to zero. If the value is greater than 80 - this additional value is the thigh value. ( Do this for all three rot channels and you get the pose back). While SMV poses may be correctly done, a whole lot are not. If you have a pose with a negative bend for the buttock and a positive one for the thigh you still add them with their values and you get the pose, but you are no longer trying to crack the femor in the middle. I look at some I did and wonder what I was thinking. But I do not intend to inflict JCJ on anyone. When you start throwing JCM into the mix, the 'any old way to get there' method can backfire. I have some gravity JCM that do the opposite of what you want when the figure is learning against gravity. I have figured out a way to get it to do what you want from within Poser, but the pose has to be correctly done. The JCM tied to the Xrot of the hip are going to be a particular problem. I would be surprised to find any pose with the hip Xrot correctly set re:gravity. There has been no need for it to be so.