First, the beginning of this thread makes me blush. A lot. Thank you. Second, the sidetrack it took brought to mind something that keeps nagging at me. I am genuinely not meaning this in a snarky way, but as it's frazzled me a little since I saw this thread yesterday, it might come across that way -- if so, my apologies in advance, because it's not my intent. That thing is: there is a monumental amount of complaining in multiple threads every single day, full of generalizations about "what everybody does" and how "everything is bad" and so on. Stepping back from it a moment, it's not hard to see that it takes up a good dose of time. If a fraction of that time was spent looking through the various offerings here and elsewhere, I have to wonder if some of the 'hidden gems' would be found more readily. Again, I am not trying to snark people here, but it's really that simple to me. What's a more effective use of time: voicing the same complaints over and over again in every possible place where anything at all is being discussed, or instead looking through what's out there, and possibly firing off an email or sitemail to the creator with a question if you're curious about an item and unsure for some reason? It just seems basic to me, I guess. If the people being complained about cared very much (if at all) about the complaints, they probably would have changed something about the way they are doing things by now. If I had to guess, it's the people who actually do care about the quality of their work that read that kind of thread more often because they actually do want to avoid mistakes, or provide the info people want, and so on. All the endless "everything is the same" -- that continues after they've taken steps to not fall into those traps and avoid the things people complain about -- tends to do is raise their blood pressure since people are too busy complaining to look around a little and find the results. Yet again, no nastiness intended at all. The short form: I'm not saying 'don't complain'. That'd be dumb, and I like complaining too much to give that advice with a straight face. I am saying 'don't spend so much time complaining that you no longer have any time left to look and see if anything has changed out there or find what you need', because I think that's just common sense. And then the general random stuff: bagginsbill, if you're still looking for nifty V4 shoes, I'd suggest looking through idler168's store here. He has some amazing ones, and I am a shoe junkie (virtual and in the real world), so I tend to be fairly picky. I am completely addicted to his work; it's absolutely fantastic. grin He has some very nice casual clothing for V4 and others, also. As to V4 and installation, I have a copy of her and the !DAZ folder with her morphs in my main Poser directory, and a copy of her, the !DAZ morphs folder, (and all of her supporting content that I have) in an external runtime without any problems. Frequently enough I load her from her own runtime because I forget to switch back to the main Poser one, and it takes a while (a 'let the coffee brew while' in my case) but I've not had any trouble loading her. I am on a fairly high-end (one of the very last non-Intel towers) Mac, though, so your mileage may vary.

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