I'm there is, somewhere... I just have no clue what it is, and thus far no one's been able to figure it out, either! LOL It wouldn't be a big deal normally, buuuuuuut... the one item (the arm) I use a LOT as I do a LOT of renders of that one character of mine... chuckles So it's kind of a headache as I have to rather consistently fight with this particular problem. ^_^

~ seliah