Thanks so much hun for the help, I signed up and I have found the tut. I guess if I thought about it more I could have figured that out lol I'm off to try again.  The render already takes 2 hours as is I think cause I'm using PWSurfaces for my characters skin but it will be well worth it to learn new things s

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