yeah Mc, I've all but given up on lightwave development. I mainly use modeler, and love the surface baking and node setup they implimented, but they are just WAY to far behind the times in so many features.

I'm muddling my way through learning Modo now, slowly weaning myself off lightwave, but I'm still keeping it around, since it's my "bread  n butter" so to speak.

IMHO newtek's developement the last year or so wasn't much better then EF's. EF got features I really wanted in poser 7, but newtek really showed that rewriting the entire app from scratch does NOT decrease developement time, it creates a whole mess of new issues, limitations, and constant code rewrites.

I REALLY would love to wave flags supporting newtek and their developement, but when I look at Modod's modeler, 3d painting, and displacement painting, and I look at newtek's modeler almost unchanged for 6 years, I just can't.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.