ghelmer - No, you're right. I was being cruel & unfair. I think we've all created bad pieces of art at some point, I know I have. I think the beauty of Poser is that it is so easy to pick up & create something with it. Most users will be hobbyists & get great enjoyment out of it. I actually don't like the way Poser users are frowned upon, most make art for fun & personal satisfaction. Some work created with this great program have been amazing. The so called 'Pros' should leave alone & do what they do.