Yes, but jin misses the point completely by claiming that Poser users consider themselves as 3d modelers. His actual argument was something along the lines of 'using canned content as an animator doesnt' diminish your work - using canned content as a modeler does'. But Poser users don't really fall into either camp - much work is done as still images rather than annimation, but I have yet to meet anyone who claims that they 'modeled' the images they created (unless they actually DID model parts of it in another program).

Jin also has the somewhat murky position of having to be right. Ob several occasions, when someone offered what to me seemed a good rebuttal of one of his arguments, he responded with, effectively, 'yes, but that's not what I'm saying'... and then went off on another tangent... from 'all poser is sh*t', to ' it all looks the same', to 'it's not about poser, it's about using stock content', to 'what is art, anyway?'. If you're going to stand your ground and be an arrogant fathead, at least stick to your guns and maintain one constant arguemtn to do it on.

The other point I found interesting was that the single image ofered in rebuttal of 'all poser stuff looks the same, and looks sh*t' - Carodan's image, supplied by dgitalsculptor, or whatever his name was... was completely ignored by anyone there. I get the feeling they didn't even register that what was being shown was actually a Poser image.

In fairness, though, the only flamers I saw there were Neverko and Jin. Sword1 wasnt' really a flamer, and I don't think the account was set up just to stir trouble, contrary to pjz's thoughts... I think he just chose that moment to come out of the shadows and actually post n a forum he'd been follofor a while.now did I find his posts particularly inflammatory, as opposed to figures such as jin.

Anyway, a fun waste of a Sundayt morning... :P

JonTheCelt