Well, I played some more last night and didn't seem to make anymore that a very light, almost visable shadow. Unfortunatly I have to do my "real job" all day but thanks for all the suggestions, tonight I will try Laverson's suggestion and elliminate the "Infinative" lights and try more Spot lights now that I know more about controlling the,. Nance, your suggestion of Cookie/Gobo sounds interesting. I am still very new and never heard of this but it sound like a veriation of a Flare Tutorial I read a while back....maybe I can do something with that as well...