I've also had Paint Engine for a long while, and I love it, too. It had a bucketload of option settings, plus you can make your own presets. It does excellent chalk appearances and brushstrokes. I'll need to try using BuZZ and Paint Engine together! Oh and Fox, I didn't mean that BuZZ and Piranesi were so comparable. I meant to get back to Bill's question (way up there) about whether it was apples to apples. It's really more like apples to oranges. Piranesi does the effects within the 3D realm the way Poser's Sketch Designer does. BuZZ is used when the final render is already made. I think the results that can be achieved are comparable, though, and BuZZ costs a lot less -- and works with Vue images (plus any other image). And thanks for the link, Fox. I'm going to check that out! :)