""Only because of people with attitudes like yours."
*What attitude ? Oh you mean the "I don't believe every salesman's pitch" attitude."

No, I mean this kind of attitude.
***"For me D|S is just a device to hook new Poser "consumers" to DAZ stuff.

I'm completely opposed against the idea that stands behind D|S as well as Victoria 4.1:
To infantilize the average Poser user, take away options from him, and turn him into a well trained good little consumer who just laps up the latest "new and exiting" offers DAZ throws in his way.

Crippled "Pose" programs like D|S and meshes like V4.1 that hardly can walk under their own weight because they were designed especially for those crippled programs and treat you like a child by adding tons of training wheels to make them "easy to work with for everybody including your four year old niece".***

It's the D|S users that you can accuse of fanboyism, not the Poser users, because they are the ones who try to rationalize a crippled and incomplete program as being an actual "option" comparable to Poser.

***A cage is a cage, even if it comes with golden bars or a fancy "modern" GUI.

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You seem to be easily fooled, aren't you ? Wait, you seem to be a D|S user...well, nevermind...""*

 ""You're absolutely wrong there."
*Actually I'm not. Some things do develop without the "help" of capitalism. The Poser community is actually a wee bit older than the marketplaces."

Yes, Some things do develop without the "help" of capitalism, but Poser wouldn't have grown to what it is today without the stores, like it or not, content is what drives the "Poserverse".

"So you don't use dials to scale in Poser? I always did."
*Scale dials ? What scale dials ? Oh, you mean  V4.1's invisible "We had to lock them away for your own good" scaledials.

V4.1's scale are dials hardly hidden, in the image you posted showing the "V4 body actor with integrated pose dials" the hand scale dial is right at the top of the image. You're telling me you can't find it? Lol!

"""So Poser users don't buy any of the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pose sets for sale in the Marketplace?"
They do. But just because a lot of OTHER people do it, doesn't make it right, does it ?"

Doesn't make it wrong either. I rarely use premade poses, but obviously a lot of people do.

""So Poser users don't buy any of the hundreds and hundreds of expression sets for sale in the Marketplace?"
See above."

You too.

""C'mon, now you're just making yourself look ridiculous."
Only to those who prefer convenience over creative freedom.

So you're saying posing 2 parts with one dial impinges on peoples creative freedom? Lol! You're hilarious!

""Maybe not to you, but they are to a lot of people. You're just being nitpicky."
*Give me a single benefit that a jointed tounge has over a morphed one. Just a single one."

I never said I was one of them.

""Really? You sure fooled me by your posts."
*You seem to be easily fooled, aren't you ? Wait, you seem to be a D|S user...well, nevermind...

No, I'm not easily fooled. If you couldn't care less about what program or what meshes anyone uses, why are you rambling on about about how bad DAZ Studio and V4 are?

""It's not too hard, it's just more work, plus, you can get more detail in the maps, which was the idea behind the map layout. I remember people complaining when Vicky came out with a head map that was seperate from the body. That's progress."
*No, that's not progress. That's just "Let's create a completely uncompatible new mapping so that we can sell lots of new textures and then convince people that they actually would need it""

So you think we should go back to the old way of mapping like the Poser 3 figures with everything on a single map? Yeah, THAT'S a good idea....... Oh, and I didn't realize all the figures that EF sells use the same maps as the figures that come with Poser. I stand corrected. Since you seem to have missed it the first time, I'll repeat it in bold for you.
You can get more detail in the maps, which was the idea behind the map layout.

""Or they could just use the D-Formers built into DAZ Studio."
Please pay attention to what I write when you quote me."

I did.

""Actually, I'd say your posts were......."
If you tried to be witty, better luck next time."

Hey, I was witty, it's not my fault you have no sense of humor.

""Yeah, moving two parts at the same time will destroy all creativity and learning! OMG!!! Somebody send word to my Aunt Jenny who live under the stairs!"
I hope they don't, although a lot of Poser and D|S users already feel entitled to have everything served to them on a silver plate.
*It's nice to have training wheels, but one usually discards them if they aren't needed anymore."

So now you're equating moving two parts with one dial to using training wheels? I equate it with better workflow and ease of use.

""Hmmm, let's see here, adds JoePublic to list of official Poser fanboys......."
Hmmm. let's see here, adds Coldrake to list of official D|S fanboys......."

Nope, I'm not a D|S fanboy, you haven't seen me once disparage Poser in any way, I never even said DAZ Studio was better. I like Poser, it's a great program. Each have their respective strengths and weaknesses. Some things Poser does better, some things DAZ Studio does better.

Coldrake