oops; appears i mistyped the url for the link. use http://people.delphi.com/sphynx/gallery/index.htm sorry! 2nd planet: fear not! with the new, improved frog, the public image of this sadly maligned creature will improve one thousandfold! (and shouldnt that be PFETF?) radart: thanks! hmmm... good point. lock up your fairies, too! :)