JoePublic, since you didn't reply to my last post, I can only assume that you agree with all my points or that you simply couldn't think of any answers. Well, now that that's out of the way, let's move on.

"Shrugs.
I see that I'm wasting my time here."
Yup.

"@Penguinisto: The "Free Market aproach" gives us Walmart and sweatshops as well as lead poisoned toys."
It also gave you your car, TV, computer, plentiful food and that nice lifestyle you live. Or perhaps, comrad, you prefer old Soviet Russia! Da!

"You call it DAZ hating, I call it a public service so that consumers can make a truly informed decision."
No one will get an informed decision from you,  because you seem to have forgotten that you have to be informed first. Yeah, hate is always a good public service.......

"MikeJ: Actually, V4.1 has LESS polygons than V3.
So I recommend that you first get your facts straight before you try to give other people advice."
As MikeJ said, he meant the density of the UV coordinates in the map. I recommend that you pay more attention so that you don't look so foolish.

"@wdupre: I never said V3's mapping was perfect. But what you all love to forget is that it were the hobbyists that made Poser big."
What does hobbyists making Poser big have to do with mapping?

"So the average hobbyist who just wants to make a few textures now has to buy an expensive 3d painting program just so DAZ can save a few inches of real estate on their jpg's?"
You don't need an expensive 3d painting program, any image editing program will do. If you were truly informed, you'd know that.

"Or buy a high end modeller because V4 refuses to properly work with Posers native morphing tools ? I don't think so."
You don't need a high end modeller to create morphs for V4, you can even use free modeling programs. If you were truly informed, you'd know that too.

"And what Poser hobbyist in the world needs 4000x4000 texture maps anyway ?*
One that wants to make a large print? Here's a newsflash for you, not all Poser/DAZ Studio users are hobbiests, and I'll bet there are a lot of hobbiests who like to make large prints. Me for one. Besides, you can't really upsize an image without losing a lot of quality, but you can always downsize.

I reduce all my textures to 1000x1000 or less because I'm not in the habit of rendering wall sized portrays of my Poser people, and so are 99,99% of the Poser users I know of."
Then you don't know a lot of Poser users.

Why have so many people such a stupid high tech fetish ?"
You consider large texture sizes to be high tech? Rotfl!!! What neck of the woods are you from?

It's not "old vs new", it's what works for MANY people and what doesn't."
Yup. Poser, DAZ Studio and V4 all work for MANY people.

"People were more than happy with V3's mapping. There's tons of fre stuff out there to proof it.
What good is a super perfect "professional" mapping when nobody can use it ?"
There's lots of proof in the stores and freestuff that plenty of other people can use it. You've got to realise that just because you can't do something or you can't figure something out doesn't mean that others can't.

"Jeez, you should really listen to yourself."
If you were really listening to yourself, you'd laughing yourself silly.

"Any grassroots movement can only take so much commodification before it is destroyed, and V4.1 is the tipping point.
But all that stupid ahtist types be damned, 'cause there's no munney in it, right ?"
So V4 is destroying what exactly?

"To you Vicky is just a virtual dress-up doll people play with to pass the time or maybe jerk off to."
(Pssst, your adolescence is showing.)

It's all shitz and giggles, right, so who cares if she can't bend like a human"
V4 isn't perfect, but she can bend better than any other female figure on the market.

"or if she bogs down an older machine."
Why would V4 bog down your machine more than V3? You said yourself and I quote, "Actually, V4.1 has LESS polygons than V3".  Please explain to everyone here, (we're all dying to know,) how V4 would bog down your machine more than V3 if she has has fewer polygons?

"But SOME people take Poser a wee bit more seriously, and if they work real hard and put a lot of emotions into their renders, don't they deserve better than having to make do with a freakin' Barbie doll without kneecaps ?"
So which "freakin' Barbie doll" with kneecaps do you use? Just curious.

"I'm lucky enough to have the talent to fix most of the problems the existing meshes have.
But a lot of people haven't.
And even IF they have, why should they have to waste their time ?"
Please give us a list of all the faults of V4 and the ones that you've fixed, it should make some very interesting reading.

"V4.1 is defective by design.
She is neither photorealistic, nor is she easily accessible any more."
It takes a combination of mesh, lighting, textures, render settings etc to make a fairly realistic image. V4 can make as realistic image as any other mesh.  V4 is perfectly accessible to me an most other people, why are you having problems? Oh, and please give a list of all of V4's design defects.

"Vicky used to be an artists tool everyone could use in any way he liked, regardless of skill and income."
Vicky still is. Again, just because you can't do it doesn't mean most others can't.

"Now Vicky is an effin' BRAND only those are allowed to work with who can afford to spend the time to aquire the necessary skills and buy the professional tools to handle her."
You don't need any more special skills to use V4 than you do V3, anymore than you need more special skills to use Poser 7 than Poser 6.  You may need to learn new things to use Poser 7 and V4, but you don't need any new skills. You don't need any professional tools to use her either.

"I definitely won't waste my time to fix all of V4.1's shortcomings.
I made several attempts but to me she just isn't salveable because there is not a single piece of her that is actually useable."
But wait, you just said a couple paragraphs up that, "I'm lucky enough to have the talent to fix most of the problems the existing meshes have." Do you have the skills or don't you? Thousands of other people aren't having problems using her, why are you?

"As she is now, one has to stick to the DAZ approved morphs and "morphforms", and that's it."
Actually there are V4 morphs available at other stores.  And yet once again, if you were truly informed, you'd know that.

"And that's not good enough for me.
And it shouldn't have to be good enough for anybody else."
It's nice to know that you set your standards so much higher than most other people. Most other people don't seem to be having all the problems you're having with her. Maybe you got a corrupted file. Try downloading again.

Coldrake