Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Apparent Age, The Science of Facial Beauty, and "Babyfacedness"

wikman opened this issue on Dec 29, 2007 · 78 posts


Stepdad posted Sat, 29 December 2007 at 9:59 AM

Quote - Ummm. To quote the witch in 'Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves': "Something vexes thee?" :) It might be some subtlety of language that I don't fully master, since English is not my native language, but I can't see how you can construe my answer as "shooting at the messenger". I did not answer you with any vehemence, did I? If I said something terribly offensive without realizing it, I apologise!

No worries, nothing vexes me.  I forget that sometimes it's difficult in any language to convey the tone of a response in written form. No, nothing you said offended.  Even if it had I don't take discussions on message boards to heart, got to many other real problems to deal with :)  I guess you inferred that I was upset from my response, and for that I do apologize, I was not upset nor offended.  I'm afraid my tone wasn't evident from the way the response was written.

Quote - To meet some of your points: 1) I have not complained for a second that my images were removed. I understand. I respect the decision. I will not complain. In my reply to the moderator who removed my images, I wrote: "I fully respect your decision, and will refrain from posting more pictures of my Utopia character on Renderosity", and in my first post above "I fully support/respect their decision, and do not wish to discuss the moderation per se". Please, Stepdad, try to see that I wish to discuss the problem of "apparent age" from the perspective of the science of facial beauty - and particularly that "exceptional beauty" automatically seems to mean that we perceive a face as young.

 
Until somebody finally creates and passes a law stating that digital characters have no age for the purposes of child pornography statutes or there is a test case or two defining what is and isn't acceptable I'm afraid the only reasonable course of action that can be taken is what Renderosity is currently doing.  Sadly it's much more about perception than it is about reality, there really aren't any hard fast guidelines to go by.

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  1. I have a blog, my own website, where I post my images. I also post them to various imageboards. If there are risks involved, I am prepared to take them myself. That's one more reason why I don't object to the moderation of my images. I'm quite fine with it! Let's look at the bigger picture. Let's not look at Renderosity, but at what would constitute "good laws" in any society. I'm from Sweden, and I shudder at the very mention of the nigh on medieval legal system of the U.S. ;) I suppose it would be interesting to bring up such issues as the possibility of "crimes without victims", but my main point was that there is a problem in that "peak CGI facial beauty" automatically means that the model will look 14 years old... How ought we deal with that. And by "we" I don't mean just people here at 'rosity. Can we disagree without becoming enemies? ;) That usually means a better discussion...

 

Good laws?  Lol.. good luck, in any country.  I have yet to see a good law on the subject of pornography, obscenity or anything else get passed anywhere.  You basically have 3 options, ban it all, permit everything or try for some middle ground.  But everybody's middle ground is different and it's nearly impossible to define by any objective standard. Without an objective standard there isn't any way to properly judge what is and isn't legal, it's all a crap shoot.  What is offensive to me might not offend you at all, and vice versa.  You just never know.  

Beauty too is all in the eye of the beholder, one good example, a lot of people think Julia Roberts is a beautiful woman.  I don't, in fact I think she is rather homely.   No offense to Miss Roberts or any of her multitude of fans of course, but frankly I have never understood the attraction at all.  But there are tons of people that disagree with me and by tickets to her movies and fawn all over her talking about how beautiful she is, and all the while everytime she laughs I just get a mental image of a Shetland Pony I used to own some years back.   So really again there is no objective standard on beauty.

And as far as becoming enemies is concerned I'm afraid I'm entirely too busy to aquire any new enemies at the moment.  Also if you have an interest in becoming my arch-nemesis you'll need to fill out all the required applications and talk to the HR department about it, but if I were you I'd consider carefully before applying.  Not that I'm much to worry about overall, my only super power is the ability to irritate my children to no end.  But the arch-nemesis job doesn't pay much, the hours suck and worst of all they don't offer any health benefits whatsoever :)

Stepdad