Well, please keep in mind, Carrara was launched just prior to Metacreation's demise. I thinkn they pushed it before it was ready, because they had already put 90% of the work into it, and they hoped that a company could swoop in and finish the debugging. Incredibly fortuante, eovia picked it up. Don't knock eovia to much, they DID choose to try taking a program that wasnt their's, to have and to hold, and debug. Remember, they werent as familiar with Carrara's source code as the fired MC employees were, so they had to learn the code from scratch. eovia was very cool to buy a fatally flawed program, but with much promise. Remember, though some of you could just turn to 3DS or Rhino, Mac users like moi are stuck with C, Bryce, LW, or Maya, and LW/Maya are a little expensive and complex for mid-level modellers like me. So dont knock our savior down too much (-: Nebula Supernova Studios