what I'm aiming for here is just a fix, if you look at my characters butt, it's too tall. I want to shrink it down some, and with her butt the way it is makes her hips look odd. unfortunatly to really correct this she needs to be in this position. not at a zero pose and that is where I'm running into trouble. BTW thanks for posting those links, i'm just looking for something a little different might come in handy though.