thanks adp, that makes sense.what I am puzzled about is which morph would it have been that caused the difficulty. I changed the way he was standing a couple of times, (not drastically, just different stand poses) that didn't really help. Not sure how to determine which morph it is. The mistake I make in thinking seems to be that I always thought Poser would do pretty much anything that wouldn't be spectacularly unnatural for a human body.