Thanks for the responses. We are stuck here in the back of beyond and not exactly next door to helpful friends. We are trying to load some of the drawings but the server we are on has been on the------( maybe malaria). any way it some times takes hours to log on and it often spits up at more than a 15-25K JPEG. As you will see he has a well textured "farmers jeans and "T"shirt" in the drawings- thats something we didn't even hope to be able to access Take a look PAN (THE GREAT) if you can do it -WOW. CODEMAN3D we are trying to get him out so you and sewer rat can have a look The KEY is that he needs to be realistic, He's a youngish guy whose switched on but some what "not too bright" We think we have it pretty close in the poster drawings. this will be the first time this type of animation has been used here and it will not only be used for tele but for video teaching and information going out in special trucks to remote villages. Thanks again people, one tends to forget that there are artists out there who care. As I said we are a but "in the bush" here. Shane/Meggi