Frankly, I'm not too impressed either, BUT the Light lab catches my eye. What gets me about this is: One: Bryce was NEVER intended to be a modeling program. Thus, they made a whole new piece of software that strays from the original concept. Don't ask me why I'm mad about this, I don't know why (been a sold user since version 2) Two: IF the Dev team spent a bit more time on this (say releasing Winter 2001 or the following spring) They could have made a whole NEW render engine to include radiosity. Three: I think they should have concentrated on more important things besides a veg lab and light lab. Render speed needs to be vastly improved, and judging by the release date, it's not gonna be so. Numerous shortcommings need to be fixed (i.e. export and import) And MPEG Movie support should be added. Hidden menus (DTE and other things) Need to be brought out more, but that aspect is next to perfect IMO as I spent most of my time in it. I don't know if I'll upgrade or not, this sways me a bit, but not to the point of me drooling. I agree with the tree lab thing, it's needed it ever since the begining. -Matt 3DCommune Moderator http://www.3dcommune.com