I am hoping against hope that the beta testers out there are right and that this was just based on an early beta that CA got. Have been using bryce since v2 (when work allows!!) and was expecting a whole lot more for that kind of price range. If this stuff is duff(due to magazines always being a little out of date anyway) is there anyway we can persuade Corel to even say WHEN they will tell us ANYTHING other than "yup it exists as a beta" One wonders whether they may link with Poser too, seems to be a big gap plugged with Vue. Could bryce be lookiing at some better animation???????