Krome, To include radiosity, they'd have to rebuild the raytracer...Ambience determines illumination, not light shadows I'm just going to assume the version that's gonna come out is going to be 'Public beta' even though noone will state it as such. I believe that. I bet no longer than a month into the release a major patch will be out. -Matt 3DCommune Moderator http://www.3dcommune.com