Hi all i am fortunate enough to own both Lightwave 6.5 and bryce4 and soon bryce5 and i must tell you if you want to stand above the crowd: learn lighting!!!! in both programs if you have them spend some time in the sky/atmosphere lab of bryce and you will be surprised at what you can produce bryce has some very powerful features well beyond mountain ranges and infinate planes of silvery water. and collect model meshes!!! bryces Greatest strength is it ability to import .lwo and wavefront .obj files for applying its awesome material presets and rendering. I got lightwave because i want to do character animation with texturing ability beyond what poser offers But I am not a lightwave snob!! But for its $$price bryce remains a good value Mocap