And  as for the bloated Vista thing - well M$ aren't making XP or 2000 any longer so people will have to learn to live with it if they want to upgrade their computers.

I don't know about M$ not making XP anymore but XP is available all over the place.  I see it in stores and online (even my computer guy has XP Home and XP Pro available).  Many pre-built computer systems have now gone back to offering XP as an option.  M$ intends to continue support of XP for five more years - that desparate huh?  And with MSDN, I don't have to see the inside of a Vista disc for quite a while.

Gamers keep giving the finger (two if your English) to Vista for being shit-for-brains for playing their games.  Not my thing, but when you upset the gamers (ya know, the people who have made the gaming industry worth more than Hollywood and NASA combined?) that's a bad thing.

And again, you talk about everyone pushing 64-bit hardware.  And we have several flavors of 64-bit Windows OS.  Where are the drivers and software?  Bleating on about, well, you can use these newest/latest three models even though there are five thousand others to choose from.  That's just wrong.  Are we Apple now?  You can have the chicken...

Again, I'll wait a bit.  I did the same thing with XP - but not as long (SP2).

Finally, no, I don't have to 'live with it (Vista)'.  Hmmm. I've upgraded three computers in the last 8 months (the most recent just last week) and not one has Vista on it.  I don't see forcing to get Vista.  The 'older' machine is an Intel Q6600 QuadCore with 8GB, 1.5TB SATAII drives, Blu-Ray DVD, and GeForce 8800 GTX.  XP Pro has no complaints.  Don't believe the lies that XP Pro can't handle this stuff...

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

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