You're right ... it's easy to see the difference for sure. SMV is a great work. We have just decided to standardize on the Vicky 2 geometry for now - and track Daz when they go to Vicky 3 whenever. It is just too important for us to have continuity. Ah well... I'll keep twiddling them dials myself and see if I can get close at least :) Again, GREAT work - it just isn't for us :(