This is a rendering of my corleone character from KANE, the only post render was to change the color a little...I think it comes pretty close, and the DAZ models already have pretty high resolution heads....I think Poser has some tremendous capabilities to render out decent images of skins, skins are made by someone not in Poser, but using a UV Map, and a good postwork program like Photoshop, some high res digital photography with good postwork body technique, and something like Deep Paint. There are marked differences, definitely, especially around the eye area, and the eyeball itself, but Poser comes damned close. What we need in Poser 5 is models with better eyes, and a hair particle generator. Syyd