true - but my disappointment is that I expect V4 to be better than V3, and the face and the lips especially are such an important part of making a model better. That's why I spend money buying better computers so I can cope with higher poly models. Your picture really illustrates the problem for me, but for people who have never tried modelling, it may be hard for them to understand the awful truth. I don't know what DAZ were thinking. They must have had a different person creating V4 compared to whoever they had helping make V3 or it would never have happened this way I think. To me those models look like they were made by different people. I'm not saying V4 isn't a nice model. She is certainly better than the EF figures. However she doesn't seem like such an advance to me. V3 was a great advance compared to v2 and I was expecting really big things for V4. Still I am going to use her of course. Her expressions are nice. So tell me alittle about displacement maps. Can they only displace polys or can they actually displace parts of polys to make fine adjustments? Love esther

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