Thank you Boni for your responce and suggestions. I have been trying your method and some variations of it. It is working well but as with all lighting set ups it all depends on your scene the mood of ithe scene. ect. What I have been doing is to create many many light sets and saving them to light library and then trying them out quickly when I set up a new render scene. This seemed like a quick way to find just the right lighting even if it will need some tweeking. I still dont comprehend all the settings associated with IBL. and AO especially the settings and bias ect. Poser manual does not explain any of this. Also I do a lot of animation with poser. I have been trying to save animation sets. Using the animation sets pallet, but it does not seem to save the animation sequences as I had thought that it would. Here again the manual does a very poor job of explaining this. But the animation pallet does work well. Do you have much experience with animation sets and saving them? Thanks Steve