I'm sorry, but may I interject here? I say this here with uptmost respect here meaning this not in a bad way to whom I say this or about whom I say it, but I do STRESS here, a lot of folks that are posting pin up work and such here have "possibly" never, and probably will never post at any Renderotica. Please don't blame all the old Renderotica artists for any form of provacative works you may see here. I'm certain some folks have filtered into here from there, fact is I am certain, but if you look at the mainstream pin up genre of works here, MANY of them have resided here at Renderosity and are quite well known and respected here and a good many of them never set foot into Renderotica unless they did so under another handle. Many fine artists and hobbyists enjoy erotic art and do not need to make excuses for this perfectly normal habitual among artists throughout the ages. If some of you folks actually frequented Renderotica when it was around you may have realized that what you say is quite presumptious because although there were MANY very wonderful and beautifully rendered erotic works there, but there were also some things that may have made your stomach turn. Each to their own tastes, Renderotica did have its own clientele and for catering to many who's work may well have been a bit extreme or out of the fashionable norm, Renderotica should be commended. These online forums serve their own purpose both for those that run them themselves and for the artists they cater to, you cannot compare them just cause the software was similar or just cause the topic here is "slightly" similar to something found more at one than on the other. Some of you may not enjoy erotic art for whatever reason, I can respect that, but please don't speak for us all cause some artists, many, do enjoy it even though they may never have posted at both places at all. Some of us may not like food art or close up's of poser noses with nostrils that glare unaturally but we put up with this too and don't suggest those artists need to find another place to post their works or that they are usually not regulars here. That is just wrong. Erotic art is a FACT of art and a normal mainstream in the form of education in art schooling and learning from the "masters" time and time again. Most artists are "open", a few seem pent on this fantasy that erotica is anything but art...I beg to differ here. If anything it is one of the most "prominent forms" of art throughout time, and even if you sweep this under one side of the rug somehow it will work itself out the other side of the rug time and time again; you won't make it just "go away" ;-)